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		<title>By: September 2007 &#171; TNT</title>
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		<dc:creator>September 2007 &#171; TNT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] read Eileen’s post first, then Calico’s, then College Callgirl’s. I quite agree that rape isn’t the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Anaïs' Little Sister</title>
		<link>http://bloodylaughter.com/2007/10/12/when-no-is-not-a-safeword/comment-page-1/#comment-2042</link>
		<dc:creator>Anaïs' Little Sister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 23:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t know where to make my first comment on your blog...I&#039;ve been running through it backwards, soaking you in.  You have said some things in this post, however, that I really, really agree with, especially as regards the cross-over of sex education and BDSM education.

Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t know where to make my first comment on your blog&#8230;I&#8217;ve been running through it backwards, soaking you in.  You have said some things in this post, however, that I really, really agree with, especially as regards the cross-over of sex education and BDSM education.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: A Place To Draw Blood Laughing &#8250; Protected: 36. Bloodlust</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Place To Draw Blood Laughing &#8250; Protected: 36. Bloodlust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] When &quot;No&quot; Is Not A Safeword [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Not Asking For it &#171; The Naked Truth</title>
		<link>http://bloodylaughter.com/2007/10/12/when-no-is-not-a-safeword/comment-page-1/#comment-1247</link>
		<dc:creator>Not Asking For it &#171; The Naked Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Asking For&#160;it October 13, 2007 &#8212; Z   I read Eileen&#8217;s post first, then Calico&#8217;s, then College Callgirl&#8217;s. I quite agree that rape [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Asking For&nbsp;it October 13, 2007 &#8212; Z   I read Eileen&#8217;s post first, then Calico&#8217;s, then College Callgirl&#8217;s. I quite agree that rape [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Juliet</title>
		<link>http://bloodylaughter.com/2007/10/12/when-no-is-not-a-safeword/comment-page-1/#comment-721</link>
		<dc:creator>Juliet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know all about failure-to-brain-shift; the start of term recently was a little traumatic :-/  As &amp; when you do get round to having a look at any of it, ping me if you want copies of anything you can&#039;t get at!  

I am not yet at the stage of being published, although may be in the future - anyway, plugging my own papers on the public interwebs would probably not be terribly good for my attempts at semi-anonymity ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know all about failure-to-brain-shift; the start of term recently was a little traumatic :-/  As &amp; when you do get round to having a look at any of it, ping me if you want copies of anything you can&#8217;t get at!  </p>
<p>I am not yet at the stage of being published, although may be in the future &#8211; anyway, plugging my own papers on the public interwebs would probably not be terribly good for my attempts at semi-anonymity ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You did indeen send me the details on some of these, because you are awesome, and I filed them under &quot;Stuff I haven&#039;t managed to do yet,&quot; because I am clearly not. I have been reading too much fiction and haven&#039;t managed to shift my brain over.

I have to wonder when you&#039;re going to start referring me to your own papers, you academic hat-wearer, you. 

Thanks for the suggestions, once again. Much appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You did indeen send me the details on some of these, because you are awesome, and I filed them under &#8220;Stuff I haven&#8217;t managed to do yet,&#8221; because I am clearly not. I have been reading too much fiction and haven&#8217;t managed to shift my brain over.</p>
<p>I have to wonder when you&#8217;re going to start referring me to your own papers, you academic hat-wearer, you. </p>
<p>Thanks for the suggestions, once again. Much appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: Juliet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juliet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peggy Kleinplatz talks about it a little bit in &quot;Learning from Extraordinary Lovers: Lessons from the Edge&quot; (in Kleinplatz, Peggy J &amp; Moser, Charles (eds) (2006) &#039;Sadomasochoism:
Powerful Pleasures&#039; (Harrington Park Press)
also simultaneously published as Journal of Homosexuality Vol 50 nos 2-3 (2006)
though it isn&#039;t only LGB-relevant.  There&#039;s another couple of upcoming publications - I think I sent you the refs in email a few weeks back?  I have advance copies of a couple of things if you&#039;re interested (as PDF/Word doc, I think) - let me know. 

There&#039;s not a whole lot of research in the area as yet, though.  There&#039;s a little bit in a couple of Dossie Easton&#039;s books but that&#039;s not so much research as personal whatsit.  Mind you, qualitative data is at least as valuable in these area, albeit differently so, than quantitative.  (&amp; quantitative is very hard to come by!).

*removes academic hat* :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peggy Kleinplatz talks about it a little bit in &#8220;Learning from Extraordinary Lovers: Lessons from the Edge&#8221; (in Kleinplatz, Peggy J &amp; Moser, Charles (eds) (2006) &#8216;Sadomasochoism:<br />
Powerful Pleasures&#8217; (Harrington Park Press)<br />
also simultaneously published as Journal of Homosexuality Vol 50 nos 2-3 (2006)<br />
though it isn&#8217;t only LGB-relevant.  There&#8217;s another couple of upcoming publications &#8211; I think I sent you the refs in email a few weeks back?  I have advance copies of a couple of things if you&#8217;re interested (as PDF/Word doc, I think) &#8211; let me know. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s not a whole lot of research in the area as yet, though.  There&#8217;s a little bit in a couple of Dossie Easton&#8217;s books but that&#8217;s not so much research as personal whatsit.  Mind you, qualitative data is at least as valuable in these area, albeit differently so, than quantitative.  (&amp; quantitative is very hard to come by!).</p>
<p>*removes academic hat* :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Juliet,

Using kink as therapy in such situations is one of those topics I simply know nothing about. I wouldn&#039;t reccommend it either, but that&#039;s because I don&#039;t really know enough about the idea to say one way or the other.

I tend to personally avoid bringing my issues into my play. I don&#039;t like to play while I&#039;m angry or upset or grieving. I would guess this experience is different from the bottom&#039;s perspective. I did ask May to tie me up once when I was feeling figity and bad, thinking that the experience might calm me down. No soap. It went quickly and painfully wrong.

Basically, I don&#039;t know :). I&#039;m sure there&#039;s been research on it; do you know any?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Juliet,</p>
<p>Using kink as therapy in such situations is one of those topics I simply know nothing about. I wouldn&#8217;t reccommend it either, but that&#8217;s because I don&#8217;t really know enough about the idea to say one way or the other.</p>
<p>I tend to personally avoid bringing my issues into my play. I don&#8217;t like to play while I&#8217;m angry or upset or grieving. I would guess this experience is different from the bottom&#8217;s perspective. I did ask May to tie me up once when I was feeling figity and bad, thinking that the experience might calm me down. No soap. It went quickly and painfully wrong.</p>
<p>Basically, I don&#8217;t know :). I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s been research on it; do you know any?</p>
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		<title>By: Juliet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juliet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The reality is that saying we shouldn’t talk about the place rape has in our fantasies and in our lives is a dangerous, damaging fallacy.&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, entirely.

I&#039;ve also known of people who were able to use that sort of fantasy/role-play to work through issues with real-life rape or sexual assault situations.  Although I wouldn&#039;t necessarily recommend trying that without at the very least a lot of discussion between all parties involved and being prepared for it to go wrong.   I wouldn&#039;t *recommend* it at all, really; but it can be worth looking at the ways in which consensual sexual activity and sexual fantasies can be therapeutic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The reality is that saying we shouldn’t talk about the place rape has in our fantasies and in our lives is a dangerous, damaging fallacy.</i></p>
<p>Yes, entirely.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also known of people who were able to use that sort of fantasy/role-play to work through issues with real-life rape or sexual assault situations.  Although I wouldn&#8217;t necessarily recommend trying that without at the very least a lot of discussion between all parties involved and being prepared for it to go wrong.   I wouldn&#8217;t *recommend* it at all, really; but it can be worth looking at the ways in which consensual sexual activity and sexual fantasies can be therapeutic.</p>
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		<title>By: Eileen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eileen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 21:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tom,
Thanks for coming by and commenting :).

I wasn&#039;t really trying to dig into those fine lines in this entry, either. How we recognize rape, how we define it, process it, react to it, are definitely not clear cut processes. (I might mention that the woman I mention in my second example did not ever say she was raped, did not ever report the guy, and definitely did not take well to my clear-cut reaction to her situation.)

Discussions of consent in BDSM contexts, you may agree, also walk some very fine lines and have some very grey areas. 

What I wanted to touch on here was not rape, but rape fantasies, which are two very, very different things. Many bloggers have recently written about rape and/or rape fantasies, and I think you may find their explorations of the topics more elaborate than my own. (Calico has recently linked many of the posts that have been made recently in an addendum on her own entry.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tom,<br />
Thanks for coming by and commenting :).</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t really trying to dig into those fine lines in this entry, either. How we recognize rape, how we define it, process it, react to it, are definitely not clear cut processes. (I might mention that the woman I mention in my second example did not ever say she was raped, did not ever report the guy, and definitely did not take well to my clear-cut reaction to her situation.)</p>
<p>Discussions of consent in BDSM contexts, you may agree, also walk some very fine lines and have some very grey areas. </p>
<p>What I wanted to touch on here was not rape, but rape fantasies, which are two very, very different things. Many bloggers have recently written about rape and/or rape fantasies, and I think you may find their explorations of the topics more elaborate than my own. (Calico has recently linked many of the posts that have been made recently in an addendum on her own entry.)</p>
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